Comments on: A Day (And Night) Of Decapitations http://www.traviseneix.com/a-day-and-night-of-decapitations/ Dedicated to looking at the self. Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Steve http://www.traviseneix.com/a-day-and-night-of-decapitations/comment-page-1/#comment-43656 Steve Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:47:11 +0000 http://www.traviseneix.com/a-day-and-night-of-decapitations/#comment-43656 Yes, quite true. I am unsure of the term 'habit' in this context, but it doesn't matter. Consider: Prior to the 1400's it was obvious and evident that the world was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. The earth was the center of the universe. It is equally obvious and evident that I (or you) exist independently with a seperate body and mind and that the universe revolves around us. But is this true? This is the first premise of our subjectivity, but this was not aways the case. Pyschologists say that the ego forms around age 3 but in my talks it is seemed not to harden until 9 or so. I feel the difference is that early on a child can respond as an individual but the subjective experience of individuality come later. There is no effort to be who we are as Being, but to break the habitual attachment to who we 'think' we are seemed hard to me. Still is in some respects. Anyway, just a moment of rambling. Peace Yes, quite true. I am unsure of the term ‘habit’ in this context, but it doesn’t matter.

Consider: Prior to the 1400′s it was obvious and evident that the world was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. The earth was the center of the universe. It is equally obvious and evident that I (or you) exist independently with a seperate body and mind and that the universe revolves around us. But is this true? This is the first premise of our subjectivity, but this was not aways the case. Pyschologists say that the ego forms around age 3 but in my talks it is seemed not to harden until 9 or so. I feel the difference is that early on a child can respond as an individual but the subjective experience of individuality come later.

There is no effort to be who we are as Being, but to break the habitual attachment to who we ‘think’ we are seemed hard to me. Still is in some respects. Anyway, just a moment of rambling.

Peace

]]> By: Travis http://www.traviseneix.com/a-day-and-night-of-decapitations/comment-page-1/#comment-43020 Travis Sun, 01 Mar 2009 07:56:50 +0000 http://www.traviseneix.com/a-day-and-night-of-decapitations/#comment-43020 Steve, Thanks for the encouragement. I don't think that Douglas meant lie in the sense of purposeful deceit, but rather a belief about how we are that is innocently passed to us which is completely at odds with our own present experience, and in the reverse of the truth. With that in mind I think your word, delusion, is very applicable. I don't see the effort as being tremendous. It's just the unwinding of a habit. In this context (of having no head), our habit is to perpetually look only outwards, and never look in for our identity. By taking a moment, every now an d again, to look in at what we are looking out of, the truth is shown. We do this at first as a matter or memory, then as an on-again/off-again habit, then as a consistent habit, and finally (once the habit of only looking outwards is unwound) as self-reflexive and self-evident truth. Steve,

Thanks for the encouragement.

I don’t think that Douglas meant lie in the sense of purposeful deceit, but rather a belief about how we are that is innocently passed to us which is completely at odds with our own present experience, and in the reverse of the truth. With that in mind I think your word, delusion, is very applicable.

I don’t see the effort as being tremendous. It’s just the unwinding of a habit. In this context (of having no head), our habit is to perpetually look only outwards, and never look in for our identity. By taking a moment, every now an d again, to look in at what we are looking out of, the truth is shown. We do this at first as a matter or memory, then as an on-again/off-again habit, then as a consistent habit, and finally (once the habit of only looking outwards is unwound) as self-reflexive and self-evident truth.

]]> By: Steve http://www.traviseneix.com/a-day-and-night-of-decapitations/comment-page-1/#comment-42964 Steve Sun, 01 Mar 2009 00:35:26 +0000 http://www.traviseneix.com/a-day-and-night-of-decapitations/#comment-42964 Thanks for this posting Travis. I only know a little about Harding but will follow your links. I am not sure that most live a lie as much as a delusion. I would say to imagine a most complex scientific formula then put 1+1=3 in front of it. When the orginal premise is wrong then all else that follows is invalid. Tolle's kensho came when he was laying down in a suicidal depression and realized, when talking to himself mentally, "Wait a minute, how many selves am I?"LOL Of late I have been pondering the 'effort/no effort' paradox. It seems that to break the attachment to the thought stream (for lack of better words)a tremendous effort must be made but the payoff is the realization that no effort was ever needed. Any comments would be welcome. Enjoying your writings, Steve Thanks for this posting Travis. I only know a little about Harding but will follow your links. I am not sure that most live a lie as much as a delusion. I would say to imagine a most complex scientific formula then put 1+1=3 in front of it. When the orginal premise is wrong then all else that follows is invalid. Tolle’s kensho came when he was laying down in a suicidal depression and realized, when talking to himself mentally, “Wait a minute, how many selves am I?”LOL
Of late I have been pondering the ‘effort/no effort’ paradox. It seems that to break the attachment to the thought stream (for lack of better words)a tremendous effort must be made but the payoff is the realization that no effort was ever needed. Any comments would be welcome.
Enjoying your writings,

Steve

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